Ep 67 | LUCKY STANCLIFF Transcript

Ep 67 | Lucky Stancliff Part 1

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Welcome to Voices of a Killer. Today we are interviewing Lucky Stancliff from Mount Vernon, Missouri. Lucky's journey through the criminal justice system began with a first degree murder conviction that you think would be the reason why we are speaking to him today. But he really did live up to his name and ended up on the outside after serving 19 years in jail.

In this episode, we'll talk about the reasons that led him to where he is now, behind bars. We'll explore how a tough upbringing marked by hard treatment, tragedy, and a rejection of society led him to be one of the coldest killers we have interviewed on this podcast. However, his time behind bars has led him to become a different man.

Will you condemn him, or will you forgive him? It's time to find out the true story of Lucky Stankliff on this episode of Voices of a Killer. Hello, this is a prepaid collect call from me, an offender at the Jefferson City Correctional Center. This call is from a correctional facility and may be monitored and recorded.

To accept charges, press 1. Thank you for using Securus. You may start the conversation now. Hello? Hey, Lucky. So, Lucky, I talked to you before and you actually, you did 19 years on a murder, got released and then committed two more murders and went back to prison. One of the things that makes me think of is when you're doing time for the first murder, you're doing that 19 years, you're probably thinking to yourself, "man, I would do anything just to get out.

You know, I don't, I would never do something like this again." Was that your mindset? Well, that's what I was trying to do when I got to Kansas City, yeah. Yeah. I got some jobs. I was working at the job, Joe. Yeah. I want to figure out, you know, what kind of person you are, where you came from. You said you were born and raised in Mount Vernon, Missouri?

Yeah, outside of Mount Vernon, yeah. Yeah, which is between Springfield and Joplin. So who raised you as a child? I would say it'd be, if anything, I think it was the parents of my mother. Most people know if that's their grandparents or not. How come you didn't, you don't know that? Right. Right. We didn't really communicate.

They just raised you and you just kind of took care of yourself? I worked on a farm. I worked on a farm all my life. And I guess my mother lived in California. Yeah. With a husband and some other half brothers and sisters I've never met. Where was your dad? My dad was, he lived in Springfield when I tracked him down.

After I was 16 and he was a stock car racer and a pool hustler. I was a pool hustler at that time too and I raced cars. Yeah. So we had something in common, but we didn't spend much time together. He had been married, he was married to his sixth wife and I found out I had a whole bunch of half brothers and sisters.

So did you ever have any abuse growing up as a kid on that form? Well, yeah. Sexual abuse? No, just hard treatment. Hard treatment. You know, I was the outsider because my first name was Lucky, right? And my real father, his nickname was Lucky, you know? And apparently they didn't, their grandparents that, that was supposedly the parents of his wife, which was my mother, apparently they didn't like him.

Oh, so you kind of got the bad treatment because of the name? Yeah. Did you finish high school? Yeah. Did I finish high school? Yeah. No. I quit in my senior year. You got close. so at what point in time, how old were you when you finally broke loose of that farm and went off on your own? Soon as I was old enough to buy a car.

Yeah. Yeah. Sixteen. Born and raised outside of Mount Vernon, Missouri, Lucky's upbringing was characterized by instability and hardship. He was primarily raised by his grandparents, as his mother lived in California with her new husband and other children. His father, a stock car racer and pool hustler, lived in Springfield and had minimal contact with him.

This fragmented family structure left Lucky largely to fend for himself from a young age. Lucky's childhood involved hard labor on the farm and strict treatment from his grandparents. Although he was not subjected to severe abuse, the harsh conditions and lack of emotional support made his upbringing difficult.

His first name Lucky, which he inherited from his father, added to his feelings of being an outsider as it carried a negative connotation within his grandparents' household. Education was not a priority in Lucky's tumultuous life. He dropped out of high school in his senior year eager to escape the oppressive environment of the farm, the moment he was able to buy a car at 16, he seized the opportunity for independence, marking the beginning of a journey that would later lead him down a troubled path. Lucky's early years, filled with instability and a lack of nurturing relationships, set the stage for the complex and difficult life that lay ahead.

His experiences growing up contributed significantly to the decisions he would later make, and before long, it would lead him down an incredibly dark road. One that he couldn't turn back from. We'll find out more about that after the break.

This first murder, who's the victim of the, of your, of that case? The first one, was a victim, of a guy that was working in a filling station on Interstate 44. And you, robbed him or something? Well, they say I did, yeah. That's the one I didn't plead guilty to. So you plead not guilty and was found guilty?

Right. What was that about? Doesn't make any difference now because I've already done the time for it. Did you do it? Did I? Did you kill him? Yeah. You did? Yeah, they pretty much know that now, yeah. Yeah. I just hated life at that time. Why did you hate life? The person I fell in love with, the first person I ever loved in my life was a girl that I met after I was 16 and got a car and got out running around.

She accidentally got killed. And I stopped believing in God, at that point, sitting at her gravestone at night, looking at a picture on the gravestone and thinking about life, and there was nobody I wanted to kill any more in my life than I wanted to kill God, because he just killed one of the most innocent people on earth.

Yeah, you were pretty upset and angry. That's right. The night that you were sitting on a grave, was that the same night that you went and killed this guy? No, it was later on. So later on, after you're, you know, you're kind of reassessing your wounds and things like that from this day. It was about four years later.

Sure. Sure. Well, I caught that murder. So four years. But I went all the way bad. I went all the way bad after that. Yeah. Yeah. But no drugs just really hurt over what happened? Well, it made me realize there was no such thing as God. Yeah. Do you still feel that way? I know there's no such thing. I mean, I have a great philosophy now.

I mean, I have a very positive philosophy and I write a log. I write a column every day. I take a word and write a column every day that's positive and productive and focused. And I put it out to the public and, it's a real positive thing. Well, let me ask you this. Are you to where you're so angry at, you know, the situation of a loved one's death and being angry, does that make it to where you want to just kill people?

No, it did back then. Did you ever kill anybody besides that other person that no one knows about? Well, I can't talk about that. Well, you just, that's basically saying yes. I mean, you might as well. I roamed around Dallas. I roamed around different cities, you know. Mad and Killing? Oh, I don't know. Well, let me ask you this, Lucky.

Do you have a parole date right now? No, I'll never take parole. I have So I got five lives. I got two lives without parole. Okay, so you're not getting out, so there's either two things. You're bullsh*tting me right now, trying to act like you got other bodies out there, or you really do, and there's no reason for you not to tell me, so Are you bullsh*tting me?

About what? I mean, having other murders out there. Because that's kind of what you're alluding to. When you say, you know, I've roamed here, and I've roamed there, and I can't say, but I mean, usually it's just a hard no. Nope, I didn't do it. Okay, I know, I don't have any other bodies out there. If you do have bodies out there, you feel like you shouldn't say anything?

I mean, let me ask you this. People want Oh, cause it doesn't make, it doesn't make any difference. Well, it does because people want closure. They want to know what happened to that person. You know, gosh, I'd never could figure it. You know what I mean? It's just, they want to know. No, there's nobody else that anybody else can figure out on that.

In his youth, Lucky experienced a profound and heartbreaking event that would forever alter his perception of life and morality. The first person he ever loved, a girl he met after gaining some independence, was tragically killed in an accident. This loss devastated Lucky, stripping him of his faith in a higher power.

He vividly recalls sitting by her gravestone at night, grappling with immense grief and anger. In those moments of sorrow, he felt a profound hatred towards God, whom he blamed for the loss of his beloved. This existential crisis left Lucky in a state of emotional turmoil. He described a deep seated hatred for life itself, feeling abandoned and betrayed by the universe.

This emotional descent led him to a dark path, culminating in the murder of a filling station attendant on Interstate 44. Despite initially pleading not guilty, Lucky later admitted to committing the crime, driven by his overwhelming sense of despair and anger. It's not the first time one of the guests on this podcast has tried to make it seem like they are more prolific than they actually were.

But with Lucky, I could tell that this was purely an attempt to get me lured into his story. However, let's make one thing clear. Lucky's story doesn't need any embellishing. The truth of it is just as chilling as any other true crime thriller. We'll find out just how chilling it really is on the next episode of Voices of a Killer.

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Ep 67 | Lucky Stancliff Part 2

Welcome back to this episode about Lucky Stankliff on Voices of a Killer. When we last left off, Lucky had told us about his first murder. Now, we'll dive deeper into the details of this murder, and what exactly happened on the fateful night. We'll ask Lucky the tough questions and find out exactly why he did it, on this episode of Voices of a Killer.

So this person that four years later, take me back to that day, were you strung out looking for money for drugs? No, I didn't have no drug habit then. You just wanted to rob him for money? Well, I'd been pulling robberies. I got into the, for the robbery thing, but this guy broke and ran. And he broke into the back room.

I don't know if he's going for a gun or whatever. You know, yeah. Where did this murder happen? What town is a gas station in some town in Missouri? It was between Mount Vernon and Spinefield. Okay, and what year was it? 69. 69? Yeah. Wow, that was a long time ago. Yeah. Did you shoot through the door when you went in there?

No. You chased him down and shot him, gunned him down? Yeah, Whenever you gunned him down, did he plead with you to not shoot him? No, there was no pleading to it. You know, nobody was stopping. There was just some You know, I chased him down, And I shot him on the outside of the building. I first shot him in the building, but he had made it outside and then chased him down out there and shoot him.

After you killed him, did you rob the place and take money? We already had the money. You say we, somebody else is with you? Yeah, I got a fall partner. Yeah, does he have the same, share the same sentiments as you as being angry? No, he's not my type. Yeah. How long after that did you get arrested for that? The next day, I think.

So you realize that was a really lucky sentence to be having a parole date, because you plead not guilty, usually when you plead not guilty and they find you guilty, you're doing some, you know, you're getting life without usually, but you just got what, 25 years or something? No, I got a life sentence. Life sentence.

So you did what? 85 percent of what, 30? No, back then, when I first started, you could do a life sentence. You could get out in about seven years, get your record clean, you know. But I didn't get out until, let's see, 19 years. I came to the prison January the 12th of 1970. That's when I hit the prison. That was after all the time I spent in four different county jails.

If you got out, if you got out today, would you kill again? Not unless somebody made me. According to court documents, the scene of this crime was a Texaco service station in Lawrence County, Missouri, on the I 44 highway. It was here that innocent service station attendant, Richard Ferguson, encountered Lucky in the cold dark night on the morning of March 15th, 1969. Richard's body was found about 100 feet from the building of the service station.

And he had been shot at one point. He was last seen alive at 11:50 pm on March 14th by three of his friends, and he was discovered by an off duty employee at 1:20 am that morning. The cash register was open, and the money was gone. One day later, the police found a .25 caliber Browning automatic pistol about 1,5 miles south of the station and a .22 caliber Sturm Ruger automatic pistol still with a live round in the chamber. Lucky didn't include this detail in his recollection, but the naivety of his youth probably led him and his partner to think that throwing the weapons out the car window would be good enough to get rid of them.

Thankfully for law enforcement, this wasn't the case, and the next day Lucky and his partner were arrested by the Sheriff's Office. During the trial, prosecutors linked the guns to Lucky through witness statements, including one from his then wife. She also testified that she had seen him driving in the direction of the service station.

This circumstantial evidence, ballistic analysis, witness testimonies, and the discovery of the murder weapons formed the crux of the prosecution's case. The defence argued that there was no direct evidence linking Lucky to the actual shooting. However, the jury was convinced by the circumstantial evidence that Lucky had participated in the robbery and subsequent murder.

The jury found Lucky Stanklef guilty of first degree murder, and he was sentenced to life imprisonment. After the break, we hear about how 19 years in jail didn't stop Lucky from killing again.

So, this, these murders that you're in prison for now, what year did that happen? That happened when I got out after 19 years. That was in Kansas City. How long after the 19 year sentence? I was only in Kansas City. I was only on parole probably for about 4 months before that happened. Wow. That was quick.

Were you a pretty angry person out of prison after 19 years? No. No. So I had got jobs. I had got a few different jobs in Kansas City and I finally got a job that I liked and I was working out of jobs and so forth and I had a an apartment that I had rented in a bad part of town there for real. And there was a whole bunch of apartments in that building, probably 12 or so.

And it was in sort of a bad area, black and everything else. And I came back from work one night early in the morning. I was working restocking a supermarket and I was spending eight hours there. Six of us restocked that big ahh supermarket for a long time until I came back to my little house, my little apartment, I had bought a TV and I had bought an air conditioner to put in the window and I had bought a stereo system, and I got back in the next morning between 6:30 and 7 o'clock AM and my TV was gone, my stereo system was gone, and the big hole in the window where the air conditioner was that I bought, it was gone.

And so I didn't waste no time, I was conditioned to being in prison for 20 years, so I just started knocking on doors and asking people if they seen anybody carrying anything, and one person told me about it. You had somebody tell you that they did see? Yeah. What'd they say? They seen somebody carrying stuff out, so I went down to where they lived on the second floor of the apartment building, or the floor below me anyway, and I told them to come up and talk to me for a minute, walk over and talk to me.

Did they seem nervous? Well, yeah, a little bit. Who was it? It was some black girl that had a dope habit and she admitted to stealing my stuff. How long did it take you to get her to admit to it? About 15 minutes. Did you talk nice to her? Yeah. So the 15 minute conversation or, you know, give or take a few minutes, but that conversation, you said you're just basically kind of coercing her, trying to admit to it?

Right. And she did. Yeah. Was anybody else there with her? No, just me and her. Did she have all your belongings in the, apartment that she had already pawned had already sold that. She had got rid of it for drugs. Yeah. So after you figured out that she got rid of everything, what was your reaction? I told her to do this and I sucked my lips in and she said, what?

And I said, do this. And when she did, I put a piece of. I smacked a piece of tape across her lips, and then I tied a rope around her neck, and choked her to death, and threw her in the closet, threw some clothes on. You taped her mouth shut, and you put a rope around her neck. Was she fighting you? Yeah. No.

Wasn't no, she wasn't about to fight me. How big are you? I weigh about 125 pounds. How tall are you? 5 foot, about 5'9 So, you're not exactly, you know, a big person, obviously you probably No, but I've been a fighter my entire life. I'm sure your presence, I'm sure your presence after 19 years in prison has some effect, but I'm just surprised she didn't.

I'm surprised she didn't fight, try to fight you back. No, she wasn't in her to do that. Did you have her inside the apartment when you put the neck rope around her neck? Yes and yes. How long did it take for you to choke her out? Not very long. I mean, I know I had a tie, a hard knock. Yeah. You know I was threw some clothes over and then I went to that other place.

I have to admit that of all the killers we have interviewed on this podcast, this is probably the most chilling one. Lucky is so matter of fact about this killing that it is really difficult to see the human side of him through this conversation. Lucky's second victim was 29-year-old Dertra Smart, and according to News reports, she was a girlfriend of Lucky's at the time.

On April 10th, 1989, two days after the murder, police found Dertra's body in Lucky's apartment in Midtown, Kansas City. Her body was in a closet beneath two dozen pieces of clothing. According to court records, Dertra's hands and feet were tied. and a strip of duct tape covered her mouth and nose. The most sinister part about this that Lucky fails to mention is that police retrieved a note lying on Dertra's chest.

In the note it seemed as if Lucky blamed Dertra for the loss of his job, money, parole status and dignity. It read, "Need I say more as to why you're sitting there, tied up, still trying to talk your way out of it?" The cruel nature of this note highlights a very wicked side of Lucky. With the loss of his air conditioner, rage built up inside him and Lucky wasn't done killing for the night. I went to the place that she named that, that guy, the place that bought it was at another, the one that bought the air conditioner was at another house on another street, another apartment house. She gave me the apartment number and so forth.

So I went straight to that place, I stood there knocking, I just kicked the door open in on the apartment and my airconditioner was sitting on the floor where the old guy was sitting at in a chair in the room. And he started to get up out of the chair and said, "I'll call the police." I just walked over and stabbed him to death, never said a word.

And then I left the building. And then I went on my spree. Simple as that. So whenever that guy, whenever you went to the other place, that guy, did you already have the knife out in your hand whenever you walked in or you kicked down the door, I mean? Yeah. And how many times do you think you stabbed him? I don't know, three or four times, probably four or five times, probably.

Was it overhand or underhand? It was overhand. You got him in the, like the chest area? Started to get up. It went, but he went back in the chair as you stabbed him? Was there? Yeah, when he got back in the chair, that's where I stabbed him with that. Yeah. Without any thought or emotion, Lucky found his second victim of the night, 83 year old Julian Raines.

Julian and Dertra were acquainted as prior to that fateful night, he had given Dertra a set of keys so she could clean his room. After strangling Dertra to death, Lucky calmly walked across the street and stabbed Julian to death without saying a word to him. This type of callous act shows that Lucky really had a deep seated hatred for society when he left prison. The ability to kill without any real motive and a complete lack of empathy for his victims shows that he really failed to reintegrate into society.

Lucky's attitude wasn't that he had failed. Rather, it was that society had failed him. With that in mind, lucky fled the scenes of the crimes and went on the run. On the next episode of Voices of a Killer, we find out where he went and how the long arm of the law eventually caught up to him.

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That's a wrap on this episode of Voices of a Killer. A big shout out to Sonic Futures who handled the production, audio editing, music licensing, and promotion of this podcast. If you want to hear more episodes like this one, make sure to visit our website at voicesofakiller.com. There you can find previous episodes, transcripts, and additional information about the podcast.

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I'm your host, Toby, and we'll see you next time on Voices of a Killer.

Ep 67 | Lucky Stancliff Part 3

Welcome back to the final part of the Lucky Stancliff story on Voices of a Killer. Last time, Lucky had just committed two further murders without any thought or emotion behind them, the nature of which is chilling. We now catch up to Lucky going on the run in an attempt to evade the law. We find out just how that turned out on this episode of Voices of a Killer.

Where'd you go after that? I went on my, I went on a spree. That's when I, that's when I took off. That's when I robbed all the way from Kansas City to New York City, turned around New York City and robbed all the way back across the United States to LA where I got busted in LA and then extradited back to Missouri.

Was it mostly just holding people up, you know what I mean, with a weapon and taking their money? No, I was pulling pretty decent scores. I sent away, I came back to prison with little over $80 000. Wow. So you get all the way back to New York. Did you have any kind of close calls where people fought you and you couldn't get the money or was it all pretty easy just going in and robbing people?

Well, I picked certain ways to rob people where I didn't have to hurt people. How's that? What I did was notice that the times have changed since I've been out there, and a lot of the banks and so forth had the drop boxes on the back side up, and a lot of times you'd see the back side would have a sidewalk, you know, going that way and so forth, and different towns and so forth, and people would pull up at night time, and they would be to drop their money in the box after their business closed, you know?

And so I would set myself in a position to where I could get these people before they drop the money in the box and get the money and get away. I did pretty good, you know. Whenever you're on the spree, did you kill anybody else? No, just those two people. So you get all the way to California. It shows in the, in this article that you got pulled over for drinking and driving.

You didn't put up a fight? Yeah, I was drunk. I couldn't even hardly remember the police chase or the crash or anything else. Yeah. So did you plead guilty or not guilty to those two murders? I pled guilty to both of them, because I did them. There wasn't no doubt about that. And now you confess to the other murder decades ago?

Yeah, I mean, I've told people about that over the years while I was locked up, so I'm sure they know about that. And there's, just to check, there's no other ones you want to give closer to a family? Nah, there ain't no more. Why Lucky ended up in California remains unclear, maybe it was to visit part of his mother's family, but it seems like his motivation was to try and get as far away as possible from Kansas City.

Traveling from coast to coast, he eventually got pulled over in Los Angeles. On April 24, 1989, just under five months after being released from prison, Lucky was found driving a stolen red Pontiac Fiero. It was reported stolen to the police, and after a short police chase Lucky crashed the Fiero into a parked car.

As the officers approached the car, Lucky climbed out of the car, and according to the officer at the scene he poured out a can of beer right in front of them. As Lucky admits, he was really drunk. Lucky was arrested in Los Angeles for auto theft, two counts of fleeing the scene of an accident and driving under the influence.

Little did the officers know that they had just picked up one of Kansas City's most dangerous murderers at the time. Two days later, two Kansas City detectives flew to California to interrogate Lucky about the murders. Lucky confessed to the murders and waived extradition, which meant that he returned to Kansas City that week.

He was sentenced to life without parole. And this time the judge made sure he would spend the rest of his life in prison. So how do you resolve yourself knowing that you're gonna basically die in prison? Well, right now I write a daily column. I pick out a word, and I write a real positive and productive article on a daily basis. Do you still denounce God and religion and all that? There's no such thing as a God. I mean, I realize that people's brainwashed into believing that. I believe you. I'm on your I believe you. I don't get mad to where I want to go rob people because of it, but I do Well, I don't either.

Me not believing in God ain't got nothing to do with the robberies. Well, it kind of sounded from the beginning that once you, your friend passed away, you got to a place where you were very angry. And that's what I Yeah, that's when I, that's when I realized there wasn't no such thing as a God. Sure. No, I mean, I don't, I'm not a believer either.

So I agree with you. I don't understand how people latch on to it with literally All the information, all on my daily columns that are right now. You know, it's all real good common sense, and it's real positive and productive and focused. How can I get it? And that's what I, that's Yeah, well, how can I get a hold of those, columns?

How can I read it? Well, I, you got a place I can email to? Yeah, whenever I put you on the list to pay you, I can, you can email me, I'd like to read it. Okay, well, I write some pretty decent stuff nowadays, I'm a real positive person. Well, I like good writing, so if you want to pick something out that, you know, really enjoy, I can, I can actually post it up on my Patreon page for people to read as well after they listen to the story.

Lucky's life in prison has been marked by significant personal evolution and introspection. Despite the harsh realities of his environment, Lucky has found a way to channel his experiences into a form of productive self expression. He spends his days writing daily columns filled with common sense, positivity, and a focused outlook on life.

His writings, he claims, are rooted in a pragmatic and realistic perspective, devoid of any religious or spiritual beliefs. We are left with the question of what type of person is lucky? Is he still the callous cold blooded killer from all those years ago? His acts would lead you to believe so. His anger and disenchantment with life began when he lost someone who he deeply loved, and caused him to question the very fabric of existence, leading to him believing that society had failed him.

However, on Voices of a Killer, we always want to allow the people we interview behind bars tell their story and allow you to make the judgment. So what kind of person is lucky? We'll hear from him in his own words after the break.

Is there anything that you would like to tell the public about you? You know, because what they hear is loud. You kind of are an angry person. And you killed several people. What would you want people to think about you? Well, I'm not the same person I used to be. Now, if somebody gives me a problem in here, they can still get killed.

Don't get me wrong. Have you ever stabbed anybody in prison? Have I ever stabbed anybody in prison? Yeah. You laugh. Is that pretty common for you? Well, yeah. That's something you pretty much had to do back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. The last one I stabbed is, it's been a while. Let's say that somebody, you had a knife in your hand, somebody slapped you across the face.

You'd stab them to death, wouldn't you? If they slapped me across the face, I'd go get a knife and come back and stab them, yeah. Right. So that's the thing, though, is, That's, you got to remember, I was raised in the entire 70s in the Missouri State Penitentiary. I understand. Yeah. In 1967, the government declared missouri State Penitentiary to be the bloodiest 47 acres in the United States. That's where I lived at for years. But it seems like, you understand that there's a connection between you going to prison and you being like that. So, shouldn't you, knowing that, shouldn't you be able to unlock those tendencies and not do that?

Well, if I'd had enough time to change, my beliefs from the way I had to live in prison. You know, if you didn't live by those rules in prison, you was gonna be a victim. Yeah, sure. And so, you know, I made sure that I was in there and knew what time it was with me. How old are you right now?

75. So do you feel like you belong at a prison? I can live anywhere as long as people will, you know, I lived good on the streets until people did wrong. Sure, and that's probably why, well here's the thing Lucky, that's probably why you got Life Without Parole, because your outlook is, because of prison it's not really your fault, I mean you kind of went through hell with growing up and things, but that's probably why you got Life Without, because you can't predict what people are going to do, and slapping somebody in the face is not the equivalent of stabbing them, it's just not, you know what I mean?

Yeah. I would go nuts if somebody slapped me in the face too, but stabbing them is a completely different story. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, but you've got to realize the conditions that I was Oh, I do understand that. Decades, you know. I understand that, which brings us to the point, is prison a place where people are, you know, getting rehabilitated and put out on the streets ready to strike like you're saying?

Or are they, you know, are they really getting rehabilitated? I don't know, but Lucky I, well, it's been real man, I appreciate you opening up to me about everything, I'm glad you're able to admit to the first murder that happened. If you want to send me any of your writings, I'd be more than happy to read them and also publish those as well.

Well, I would have to have a, I would have to have a way to email them to you. I'll email you so you can, we'll have a, I'll open up the lines of communication. Okay. Well, I'm sure you'll enjoy some of them. You'll see what type of person I am. Okay. Now. Okay. I'm looking forward to it. And like I said, I'll post it on the Patreon for others to read as well.

So perfect. All right. All right. Bye bye. Thank you.

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He got a good job and he was doing his part. I was doing my part, and then after my second was born, things just got really weird and Rocky came on violent. He got hold of his boss. And he started crying, said he found little Josh in the pond. He eventually killed himself. He went outside, around the dog, because he was screaming.

Do you feel like you played a part in this guy's death? I wasn't doing it because I was so scared. I didn't think that it would go that far. I did get in a fight with the victim and I felt like they had me and I had no other choice. I want to thank Lucky for his contribution today. His ability to be open and honest is what makes this podcast so special.

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